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Minutes of the Plymouth Cycling Campaign (PCyC) Open Meeting – 3 March 2022
Present: John Abraham (Chair), Hilary Neve, Claire Hyatt Harris, Tom Unwin, Sue Jennings, Ricky Lowes, Dave Kilroy, Graham Wilson, Andy Whitby, Nick Ireland, Patrick James, Stuart Mee, Sarah West, Ryan Haddick (Pitmann Traffic), Mike Kelly
1. Welcome and Introductions
2. Apologies – Jon Stevens, Cllr Glenn Jordan, Dave Gibbs, Bill Nicholson
3. Guest speakers
a) Ryan Haddick of Pittman Traffic gave a presentation on various ways to create separation of cycle lanes from motor traffic on existing highways. His company has worked with local authorities in the UK and Ireland to provide bollards, studs, lane separators, mini traffic islands, etc all constructed from heavy duty recycled plastic. Some of the company’s products may be appropriate to improving cyclist safety in Plymouth e.g., on Elburton Rd.
Discussion points – this is Pittman’s first contact in Plymouth; there are no verified statistics on how well these products impact on safety, but they are fully compliant with all relevant standards; spacing between bollards etc is flexible and dependent on planners; emergency vehicles etc would be able to cross traffic lane separators which are securely bolted to the road surface and have angled sides; no definitive response on whether the products provide any risk to cyclists clipping the lane separators or bollards. RH is happy to discuss what may work in particular locations in Plymouth. His email contact is firstname.lastname@example.org
JA thanked RH for his presentation.
b) Plymouth City Council’s newly appointed Cycling Champion, Cllr. Glenn Jordan was unable to attend. ACTION – JA to make contact to try and arrange a meeting at a later date
4. Current consultations, campaigns and meetings
a) JA explained that PCyC’s involvement with Plymouth City Council (PCC), Devon CC, local politicians and cycling bodies is politically neutral and seeks a constructive dialogue. This has led to a range of support from both main political parties and we currently enjoy regular access to key decision makers.
b) In the last 2 years PCyC have been involved in over 60 consultations, planning applications and meetings. Some of the most significant:
Transforming Cities Fund (TCF) – developments funded under tranches 1 and 2. The largest share of this funding is going to Mobility Hubs which are likely to include cycle hire, ebike charging facilities as well as car clubs and vehicle charging points. 400 e-bikes are part of the proposal with delivery expected in March 2023. TCF is also funding an improved cycling route from St. Budeaux to Dockyard to City Centre, a transport interchange at St Budeaux and improvements along Crownhill Rd with a new bus lane – concern that this bus lane will be shared between cyclists, taxis and motorbikes as well which potentially makes the situation worse for cyclists. RL said it would not encourage novice cyclists to go by bike. CHH asked if images and maps could be shared to make it easier for everyone to visualise the proposals. TU asked how we get to hear about outcomes from consultations. PCyC as a recognised consultee do get responses and outcomes will be available somewhere but may be hard to find. ACTION – PCyC to keep members up to date with outcomes from consultation.
– Billacombe Rd/ Elburton Rd route towards Sherford – PCC have put forward plans to extend the off road cycle route parallel to Billacombe Rd from Saltram Meadow estate to Colesdown Hill but their plans end with a flight of steps to link back to the road. CHH suggested getting in touch with local schools (e.g. Elburton and Plymstock) to get them informed and engaged, and consider other accessibility groups that we should ally with to broaden the range of voices who are campaigning for a better solution. ACTION – RL and CHH agreed to take this forward by sharing their contacts at local schools and connecting with them.
– Elburton Road cycle lane – PCyC have sent formal objections to PCC Scrutiny Committee over the proposed parking and cycle lane scheme which would see cyclists sent between parked cars and the live traffic lane. This follows initial concerns being raised with the project lead at PCC and consultation with Cycling UK campaigns team.
– Passenger Ferries and access for e-bikes, adaptive bikes, mobility scooters etc – JA has raised this with PCC and Plymouth Boat Trips who run the services. Jay Raby, a Director, is a keen cyclist and would like to improve the situation but it is unlikely before new e-ferries come into service in 4 yrs time or so. This has been raised at the quarterly Strategic Liaison Group meetings between PCyC and PCC. One suggested solution was to cycle to the ferry and hire a bike on the other side or hire bikes on both sides of the ferry journey. This highlights the issue with integrated transport solutions using ferries in Plymouth. TU said this was an issue with buses and trains too. JA reported on discussion with GWR – they are unwilling to increase bike carrying spaces. RL suggested that this would make a good campaign with a focus on accessibility for all and would be willing to support this with a short, focused campaign with a clear set of desired outcomes. ACTION – JA to look at pulling together a meeting to include Endeavour Cycling Club and others.
– Upcoming consultation on the Yelverton – Roborough cycle path. This will be open form March 11th to May 6th. There are proposals for a hybrid route linking in to existing off road route (NCN 27) at the top of hill out of Clearbrook. Two options provided – one crosses the A386 and runs along the western side, the other stays on the eastern side passing the water treatment works. Initial feeling that this will not suit commuting cyclists and they will continue to use the A386. JA encouraged all to look at the details and feedback thoughts Have your say on proposed extension of multi-use trail – News (devon.gov.uk)
5. Cycling infrastructure –under construction and imminent
- Forder Valley link road – bits will be opening in the next few months. No clarity over how the route will pass the petrol station. Delamere Rd subway is still closed and signing for the alternative route is not adequate. JA has been pushing on this – Balfour Beatty and PCC both suggesting it’s the other’s responsibility. CHH suggested getting a video made to show the route which may help users but also put pressure on for a better solution.
- Mowhay Rd bridge over the A38 – this is a vital link in a traffic free route linking Honicknowle to the dockyard. It has taken over 6 months to widen the bridge and it looks complete but there’s no sign of it re-opening.
- Military Rd to Willow Close pathway linking Efford and Marsh Mills – SM reported that Dave Gibbs has been keeping up the pressure on this. Cllr Drean has replied to say they are investigating how to make it better. Key issues – signing, blind corner, poor surface, flooding. SJ and CHH have tried to arrange a ride along the route with Cllr Johnson and Charlotte ??? to highlight the issues.
6. Open Floor –
- SJ shared info on lots of opportunities for getting out on bikes on organised rides – see Let’s Ride website for details. Also planning for a Big Bike Ride on Saturday 16th April with rides of different lengths all finishing at Clearbrook Village Hall where there will be refreshments, stalls from different groups, cycling kit to give away. ACTION – SJ to circulate details once confirmed.
- RL would like to see more campaigning for a joined up network across Plymouth. Need to get more people on board. Plymouth Uni offer micro-internship scheme where students do a very focused piece of work (e.g. social media, research, etc). RL has experience of this, some mixed success but could be a valuable tool. SM agreed. He talked with some students at the uni this week but the response was not overwhelming.
- NI asked if any research had been done on desire lines for routes in Plymouth. HN confirmed this has been raised with PCC when asking about how they prioritise routes for development. The focus is often driven by what funding is available and what it is for. Often it’s about routes linking to work places. NI feels this is an area where we could step in and would be happy to help. Feeling that collecting data would raise profile of cycling and offer chances to engage with wider public, but there may be issues with representativeness of data. Asked about what data comes from fixed counters on routes.
7. Minutes of last Open Meeting held and matters arising – nothing in addition to items covered above.
8. Communication, publicity and social media – nothing further.
9. Date of next Open Meeting – TBC
AOB – NI asked if PCyC puts on rides for wider membership. MK said we are planning for a ride in early summer after a couple years of not being able to do so.