Minutes and agendas

The Plymouth Cycling Campaign (PCyC) meetings are open to all

  • Anyone who would like to get involved in our campaigns to improve cycling in Plymouth and to help raise the profile of sustainable transport is very welcome to attend these meetings. We need all the help we can get!
  • Or just come along to find out what we’re up to – you’ll be very welcome whatever type of cyclist you are, or even if you don’t cycle but would like to! And any comments you may have will be welcome too.

Date of next open meeting – Tuesday 28th January 2020 7.00 pm , Room 003, The Babbage Building, Plymouth University Campus (Map)

Minutes of previous meeting below Agenda


Welcome and Introductions


Minutes of last meeting (Oct 15th 2019) & matters arising


  1. Mayflower 400 and cycling events June 2020 (HS)
  2. Facebook group, survey of members and suggestions of new ideas for action; suitability of meeting venue and time (CS/HS)
  3. Rides: Social ride and event in Clearbrook 5th April (SJ); Retro ride
  4. Campaign Progress Reports: A386 (JA); Saltram (CS); Hooe Lake (JA); Ivybridge (GW); Plympton sewage works on NCN2 path
  5. New one-way system at the Barbican blocking NCN27
  6. Roadworks on Tavistock Road and Forder Valley – cyclists’ diversions?
  7. PCC update – (JW)
  8. Plymouth City Council’s Climate Emergency Plan: what is in it for cycling? (CS)
  9. Proposal for car free day
  10. Policing of close passes
  11. British Cycling meeting report (SJ)





Minutes of the Plymouth Cycling Campaign (PCyC) meeting November 19th 2019. Venue: Room 003, Babbage Building, Plymouth University Campus (Map)

Present – Hayley Harvey, Sue Jennings, John Abraham, Bill Nicholson, Dave Gibbs, Jackie Kleinot, Stuart Mee, Andy Jane, Jean Jane, Clare Smith, Mike Kelly

Apologies – David Clark, Louise Swain, Jim Woffenden, Graham Wilson, Tom Unwin

Matters arising

  • Saltram one way system – signs to indicate cycle contraflow are up, but disappointingly small. ACTION – SM to acknowledge what’s been done but ask that signs be made bigger with suggestion that a formal road sign format is used
  • NCN 27 – maintenance issues. ACTION – flag up at Sustrans local group meeting on Nov 25th
  • Hooe Lake – CS has liaised with parents group in Hooe. Suggested a photo opp with local school children to raise the profile of the issue
  • TCF bid – SM, JA and CS met with JW and Richard Banner from PCC. A lot of things that PCyC has been pushing for are included in the bid. The bid currently remains confidential. PCyC has written a letter in support of the bid and expects to be consulted further over the details.
  • The public meeting at the Newton and Noss Environment Group on Nov 27th has been cancelled.
  • A386 cycle route campaign – JA has been invited to give a talk at the Tamar Energy Fest on Nov 23rd

Consultation on DCC’s ‘call for evidence’ on the climate emergency – SM reported back from GW – Ivybridge and South Hams groups have been very active in terms of sustainable transport. Feeling that this is important and we should be involved where there is overlap on Plymouth boundaries. The document from DCC is woolly. ACTION – SM (and others) to review the document and form a response.

Cycle Delivery Group – SJ is part of this group in her coordinator role for Breeze / British Cycling. The group represents those who deliver cycling projects funded through Plymotion. A video was shown which highlighted the Bike and Baby rides undertaken in the summer – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fynMaTZ61JE  – these rides will start again in spring. HH talked about an initiative for encouraging children to play outside which British Cycling is supporting. It involves closing roads for a couple hours so kids can play safely. Councils around the country have put Street Play Policies in place and HH is keen to see PCC doing likewise – see https://playingout.net/ ACTION – HH to investigate and lead on this. SJ referred to GPs who are prescribing cycle rides to patients. This would match well with the free guided rides that are already offered. BN suggested something about this could go on to the Facebook page. ACTION – SJ to post a link.

PCC not consulting with PCyC – comments were submitted about the sewage works path but the case officer was surprised that PCyC had not been on the list of consultees. Suggestion that confusion over the PCyC acronym could lead to being overlooked. JA referred to SW Highways where PCyC is listed as PCC.

Path and cycleway maintenance report – DG  and SM had a meeting in July where a promise was made that things would get better. Frustration remains that it still takes a long time for issues raised to be investigated let alone dealt with. PCC often use the excuse of growth is not coming from their land. They have said that there will be a published schedule of works for next year with a proposed hard cut early in the year. ACTION – DG will get in touch again in the new year to ask for the schedule so contractors can be held to account. SM thanked DG for his efforts with maintenance issues and felt this was bearing fruit with cutting back taking place in various parts of the network at the moment.

Plymouth and SW Devon Supplementary Planning Document and Statement of Community Involvement – JA has read the lengthy document but there wasn’t much about cycling in it. ACTION – CS will read it and consider response.

PCyC Facebook group – SM is one of three group administrators. The job is becoming more onerous with nearly 1000 members. SM is having difficulty contacting the other two. HH offered to assist. A recent post has created a large number of comments with concern that the tone of some comments is upsetting and that comments do not reflect the views of PCyC. ACTION – SM/CS/HH to draft a post to be pinned at the top to reiterate that views expressed are not necessarily those of the group and that the tone of comments should be appropriate and avoid personal comments.

Climate emergency issues – PCyC responded to PCC’s consultation document to support more cycling. Disappointment that there has been no evidence of action so far. ACTION – CS to contact election candidates in the three Plymouth seats asking for a brief statement about what they would do about the climate emergency that could be posted on PCyC Facebook page. ACTION – post a message on Facebook page encouraging members to ask candidates about cycling provision. Suggestion that after the election PCyC write to new MPs to hold them to manifesto commitments on cycling and that we conduct a survey to canvass the views of members about actions to tackle the climate emergency which can form the basis of a campaign in advance of the May council elections. Further suggestion that the proposed car free day be rolled in to the wider survey responses.

PCyC stall for events – discussion about the benefit of having a stall at various community events. Felt that this may not be as effective as using social media. Targeting the right events would be crucial. Suggestion that Tour of Britain stage 2 starting at Sherford would be a suitable opportunity and the Tour de Moor event. ACTION – SJ to raise this with rep from British Cycling at meeting on Dec 10th.

Mayflower 400 – HH said there will be a focus on a different sport / activity each month through 2020. Cycling will be the focus for June with an event on the piazza on Saturday 20th June. There is an opportunity for a stall here working with others to promote Breeze, bikeability, etc, link in with a car free day, mass ride, floral bike display? Further ideas welcome.

Public meeting involving councillors, MPs, planners – BN suggested we should be looking at promoting another large scale public meeting / discussion. Possible focus on ‘changing behaviour’ linked to climate emergency / sustainable travel. Suggested involvement from large employers eg Derriford hospital, Babcock, Princess Yachts, MoD, university, chamber of commerce. Important to make contact with other groups that share similar aspirations to PCyC. ACTION – CS to talk to people involved with climate action group.


  • PCyC email account has been hosted for free but only accessible through SM’s own computer. A paid subscription that offered the current email address and allowed access to more users would cost £72 per year. This was not considered good value for money and it was agreed to look at getting a free account instead.
  • Plymouth Local Access Forum – JA has been a member for 2 or 3 years. It is a statutory body with council, landowner and public representation. The group has folded as it has not been able to find a chairperson. There is a meeting coming up but JA fears it may not continue. ACTION – JA to keep us updated.
  • JK shared the very sad news that Dave Smith, an active member of PCyC while he was in Plymouth, had died on October 29th from an aortic aneurysm while cycling home. A Just Giving page has been set up in his name to support the charity Tools for Self Reliance. ACTION – BN to send a card on behalf of PCyC

Date of next open meeting – Tuesday 28th January 7.00 pm , Room TBA, The Babbage Building, Plymouth University Campus (Map)

  1. Hello, I just want to introduce myself to those who may not know me yet! My name is Erica Travies and I am the lead for ‘Access Bike’ based at Access Plymouth, Mayflower East Car Park (Shopmobility and Community Transport). We have recently taken delivery of two trikes and a bike courtesy of PCC, which we are hiring out to those less able to use a conventional bike. I hope to attend your next meeting on 6th February and meet some of you in person and talk a little bit about this new service. Meanwhile we are hoping to recruit volunteers interested in bikes generally to support new users. Please contact me with any questions!

  2. I just wondered how common it was for Employers to charge for secure cycle storage?
    Does anyone have any experience with this?
    I work for a company at Millbay, who received financial assistance to install cycle lockers and are featured on the Council website as supporting cycling to work, but they insist employees rent the lockers from them for a monthly fee and pay a deposit to use only their padlocks. Cars for employees are free to park in the staff car park on the same site. I find this a little odd but did not know if it was standard practice with other companies?

    • Seems crazy to allow cars to park for free but to charge cyclists, especially if they are receiving public funding for the cycle lockers . Why don’t you post your comment on the Plymouth cycling Campaign Facebook page and see what people think? It will get more exposure there. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PlymouthCyclingCampaign/?ref=bookmarks

    • On the face of it, sounds like very poor management, technically they probably can do it. Dosen’t help promote cycling to work. Perhaps there are reasons such as stopping random non-employees using the lockers. May be worth posting on the facebook site, in order to raise awareness and discourage other companies from following suit.

  3. Hi All
    4 weeks ago I had a cycling accident on my commute home from work. I was crossing the road between cycle paths at Sandy Road Plympton to go down Glenn Road and was hit by a motorbike. The deep lane junction and traffic chaos at Chaddlewood roundabout played a part in this. Traffic was queuing from deep lane up past Eagle Road towards the industrial estate, the crossing point was left clear and the vehicles stopped. I looked before I crossed and was confident it was clear, however I never saw the motorbike that hit me at speed going down the outside of the stationary vehicles (as it was on the bend of the roundabout) I was hurt and have only just returned to work today. The motorcyclist left me laying in the road with my bike on top of me and left the scene without giving me his details. I have reported it to the police. I think this crossing point is currently a dangerous point to cross for cyclists and pedestrians while the road works are in place – I just want to make people AWARE!!

    Thank you

  4. Hi all

    I was wondering if anyone is aware of what (if any) infrastructure will be provided for cyclists on the replacement Merafield road bridge over the A38 near Stag Lodge, Plympton. Have looked online but can’t find any plans.

    • Highways England are responsible for this scheme. Sadly we weren’t consulted and the comment above is the first I’ve heard about it. As an aside the Plymouth Cycling Campaign is now being consulted when HE consider it relevant. I have emailed them asking if cycling infrastructure is included and stressing why it should be. Watch this space…..

  5. Hi Bryan. Thanks for your input and I agree with you about the pavement along the Embankment, and so do many others. We have brought this up on several occasions with the Council but the response has always been along the lines of “at least there’s a path, there are other more urgent priorities”! Anyway, the maintenance of the existing infrastructure is on the next agenda so we’ll mention this again. See you at the meeting perhaps?

  6. Bryan Millings

    Hi, As a very keen cyclist (150 miles avg aweek) was very pleased to found this group. also a member of yogi cycling club.Is there a way of putting into your agenda the resurfacing of the Embankment cycle path It’s at a stage where I feel safer cycling on the road along the Embankment because of the condition of the path.

    • davidhext@aol.co.uk

      Hi all,

      Entirely agree with comments regarding cycleway along the Embankment;
      in particular I find the section from Sainsbury’s to Laira roundabout
      so bumpy that it shakes me to the very core. I have seen many cyclists
      recently preferring to use the road: that’s crazy! It’s high time PCC
      did something!

      Dave Hext

  7. May I clarify 2 items in the Minutes of the last meeting and add a new third item?

    Under “Sherford Expressway”, I referred to the policy of the Institute of Advanced Motorists for cycling infrastructure. The IAM policy dated May 2013 is not limited to London as it is for everywhere. Among many things it says ”
    • Infrastructure improvements which separate cyclists and heavy traffic should have the top priority for investment
    • Well maintained, smooth and pothole free roads, pavements and cycle lanes will assist in the encouragement of cycling
    • The IAM supports the use of 20mph zones in residential areas and where cycling and pedestrian flows merit it
    • Innovative shared space designs should be encouraged which create cycling friendly environments where it is clear that all road users have the same priority”

    Not mentioned in the Minutes, JW showed the meeting an extract from Sustrans Design Manual dated April 2014 titled “Handbook for Cycle Friendly Design”. In particular he showed page 15. I commend JW with showing this as it represents exactly what we as PCyC have been promoting for the Cycle Expressway for 2 years. I urge everyone to obtain a copy of this as it pulls together best practice as used.

    Finally may I draw everyone’s attention to a new cycling initiative from the Dept of Transport? It is “The Cycle Delivery Plan” dated September 2014. This wants all local authorities to create a cycling vision. There are opportunities for partnership with Government to help create fully integrated transport systems for which cycling is a major part. While not explicit in the Plan, I foresee new avenues of funding.

    My vision is for a policy of “No Ridiculous Car Journeys” as successfully undertaken at Malmo in Sweden, a maritime city comparable to Plymouth. It has always been my view that Plymouth has enormous opportunity for cycling and I see no reason that we cannot do what has been achieved not just in Malmo but many cities elsewhere where 25% of all journeys are by bike. It makes economic sense and is invaluable for people’s health

  8. At the last meeting Dave Wigmore requested thoughts/views re cycling in Plymouth, and all members are encouraged to contact their local councillors expressing their views/concerns, I have contacted mine (Moor View) expressing thoughts about shared pathways which are a danger to both cyclists and pedestrians, and do not allow cyclists to “make progress”. As stated at the meeting, it may make some non cycling councillors sit up and take note.
    As the councillors for Moor View, I am writing to you, as all members of Plymouth Cycle Campaign are being encouraged to do, re views/problems with cycling in Plymouth. Below are problems I regularly encounter, I appreciate the areas may not be in your ward, but perhaps you can speak to those whose wards the areas are in on my behalf.
    I regularly try to use shared paths from around the George Junction area towards Crownhill and on to Camels Head and basically they don’t work. They are dangerous to both cyclists and pedestrians for the following reasons.
    First example – Powisland Drive to Derriford roundabout – to narrow, very little room to pass/overtake each other. On Tuesdays, rubbish/wheelie bins causing obstructions, often parked vehicles doing the same, and as with all cycle paths, pedestrians/joggers often using iPods’ etc so they never hear you ring your bell. Because of these problems, cyclists like any other commuter who wish to “make progress” cannot do so, nor can club cyclists who often travel at 30 mph or more.
    St Budeaux by pass – while I appreciate the new section from the footbridge over the Parkway to Mowhay Road is quite wide therefore making it a little safer, its still as bad from Mowhay Road to Camels Head as the previous entry, very, very narrow, (especially near the sub station, about 2 feet wide) very little room to negotiate/pass/overtake, pedestrians/joggers, again often using iPods, other cyclists. Occasionally if there a groups they wont make it easy for you, even if you do the right thing and slow down to walking pace. So again you cannot make progress.
    I often also use the Embankment, this has all the problem already stated only worse, its busier so the problems occur more often, family groups, cycling or walking, dog walkers, joggers, people waiting at bus stops, all of which they have the perfect right to do.
    Even as a commuter I often travel at 25 mph or more, if I have to avoid any of the problems explained it’s necessary to use the road/highway otherwise I may as well walk.
    Could you along with other councillors see if there is a way forward to address these problems, i.e. – making where possible, pathways wider, moving street furniture etc to make cycling safer, not just for me, but also for less confident adults and children.

    Dave Gibbs

  9. Thanks Dave – great turnout and I think it went really well. Hope to do another one in the Spring.

  10. Enjoyed the ride today, nice to see so many turn up. Well done Stuart, looking forward to the next one. Thanks to the helpers as well, appreciated by all.

  11. A thank you to Stuart for all your past hard work

  12. Plymouth Campaign has been growing and increasing its work since Dom Tucker and I set it up in the summer of 2010. We have achieved a lot together (see our website) and it is vital for the future of cycling in Plymouth that the Campaign continues its work. I have now been chairing for 4 years and I believe it’s time for a change, to bring new direction to the group and allow me to develop my other interests.

    At the last meeting of PCyC I stated my intention to resign as chair and that resignation will take effect from July 15th, the date of the next meeting. I am happy to help the new chair and take time to hand over. I won’t be leaving the campaign, but I am keen to make the change.

    We will need a new chair from the next meeting.

    The role of chair is to act as a focal point and figurehead rather than do all the work of the campaign. As the projects we are involved with have grown in number over the 4 years I have tried to ensure that other members take on defined roles, so that the task of the chair is now very much one of leading and facilitating. There is one meeting every 2 months and a small but steady flow of enquiries to deal with.

    So if you are a cyclist and want the Campaign to carry on pressing for improvements then this is your opportunity to step up. You could be one of the active members or perhaps someone who has not yet been actively involved but feels they have the leadership qualities and communication skills necessary to carry out the role of chair.

    If this is you, please contact me as soon as possible by replying to this message or simply come along to the next meeting on July 15th .

    The Plymouth Cycling Campaign is now respected and listened to by those authorities involved in cycling locally. We are pushing our high profile campaign for an expressway out to Elburton and beyond, improving driving behaviour (including talking to City Bus drivers), canvassing police support, and have a number of other issues under way.

    We have about 250 subscribers to these emails and about 300 people use our Facebook page. Our bi-monthly meetings are much smaller and more friendly than those large numbers suggest. Everyone has a chance to take an active part, so please come to the meetings, help select the new chair and find out how you could become involved.
    Best wishes

    Stuart Mee
    Plymouth Cycling Campaign (PCyC)

  13. Part of the route from clearbrook to plymbridge on ncn 27 has become quite overgrown with stinging nettles. Quite often I have to move over and brush the nettles with legs as to avoid possible collisions with others, leaving me with stingging itchy legs. Isnt it about time the path was cleared of nettles.

    • Steve we have brought this up with Sustrans and Devon County Council. We have been told they are aware and planning to bring in some motorised flails to do something about it. Unfortunately nobody will take responsibility for the section between Plym Bridge and Coypool so this is left to Sustrans volunteers to do their best.

    • Bill Nicholson

      The section of path from Coypool to Plymbridge is the responsibility of SUSTRANS and recently a group of SUSTRANS volunteers spent a very hot Saturday morning clearing much of this path of overhanging vegetation and stinging nettles. We desperately need more volunteers and so if anyone is interested please contact SUSTRANS HQ at Bristol who will put you in touch with the local group. Any problems with this section of path should be reported to SUSTRANS.

  14. Just extra point, Bikeability training which is available free of charge to all Plymouth residents is strongly recommended to improve the skills of even experienced cyclists in dealing with more difficult stretches of road. telephone 550729 or e-mail bikelinks@Plymouth.gov.uk to book a place

  15. Just one clarification: the Bikeability delivered to schoolchildren by the School Sports Partnership on behalf of Plymouth City Council is delivered by fully qualified national standard cycling instructors.

    The concerns regarding the section of road from Laira Bridge eastbound to the first roundabout are noted

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