Minutes and agendas

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  • Anyone who would like to get involved in our campaigns to improve cycling in Plymouth and to help raise the profile of sustainable transport is very welcome to attend these meetings. We need all the help we can get!
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MINUTES OF LAST MEETING BELOW THE AGENDA

Date of next open meeting on Zoom – Thursday December 10th 6 pm – 7.30 pm

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AGENDA FOR NEXT MEETING  TBC:
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Minutes from the open Zoom meeting Tuesday 29th September 2020

Present – Clare Smith (chair), Stuart Mee, Hilary Neve, Bernhard Haas, Jon Stevens, John Abraham, Cllr. Andrea Johnson, Caitlin Hellyer, Sue Jennings, John Miller, David Clark, Dean Bowles, Mike Kelly
Apologies – Graham Wilson, Bill Nicholson, Dave Gibbs

ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING
1. Report from Chair – CS started by reflecting on the increasing number of people on bikes due to the pandemic and the change in Govt attitudes to cycling signalled by proposals to amend the Highway Code and new standards on street design. The increased funding for PCC through emergency active travel fund and the TCF was welcomed. PCyC has continued to be active despite the restrictions on public events with the committee continuing to meet regularly on Zoom and in person where possible within restrictions as well as two open Zoom meetings. The first quarterly Strategic Liaison Group meeting of PCyC with senior officers from PCC took place in August and it is hoped this will lead to a more constructive dialogue to the benefit of cycling in Plymouth. In general CS was pleased to see more activity and focus on cycling. She shared some photos showing recent developments (resurfaced and widened paths around Marsh Mills / sewage works; Central Park paths that have been further improved since earlier patchy works, the cycle route in Armada Way (reservations expressed), and a mini-ride to mark Cycling UK’s Big Bike Ride). Emergency funding has already been used in Plymouth to provide more bike lockers for rent, remove some barriers to cycling and introduce mandatory cycle lanes on Billacombe Rd for example.

SM thanked CS for her hard work and dedication as Chair of PCyC over the last two years.

2. Report from Treasurer – MK reported on behalf of BN – accounts were signed off at the end of August and showed £547 in the bank and 36 paid up members. Main expense is the annual affiliation to Cycling UK which is approx. £80 per year. Other expenses cover publicity materials and website hosting. An alternative suggestion to sponsor a cycle locker with BikeAway was discussed. As BikeAway is a commercial company it was not considered appropriate to pursue this option. Alternative suggestion that we could sponsor cycle training for people who didn’t qualify for free tuition through Plymotion / Plymouth School Sports Partnership. ACTION – agreed that JA would contact BikeSpace to find out if a donation in the region of £250 would be beneficial.

2. Nomination and Election of Officers:

  • New post of Social Media Officer – this new role will include running the Twitter account, helping as a moderator on Facebook and developing other social media campaigns work. Currently SM and CS operate the MailChimp email service and assistance with this could be part of the role too. AJ offered advice and assistance in developing our use of this system and suggested setting up an event calendar and planning forward over 12 months to align events / campaigns with Sustrans, PCC etc. CH was nominated for the role by CS and seconded by SM. All in favour and CH elected to the position.
  • Secretary – MK was nominated by SJ and seconded by SM. All in favour and MK re-elected to the position.
  • Treasurer and Membership Secretary – BN was nominated by CS and seconded by MK. All in favour and BN re-elected to the position.
  • Committee Members: currently; Bernhard Haas (Sustrans local group coordinator), Bill Nicholson (Treasurer), Clare Smith, Dave Gibbs (Maintenance), Graham Wilson, Hayley Smith, Hilary Neve, John Abraham (Infrastructure), Mike Kelly (Secretary), Stuart Mee (Communications), Sue Jennings (Vice Chair). All committee members remain and CH joins the committee as Social Media Officer Jon Stevens was co-opted to join the committee.
  • Chair – CS has stood down as chair and there were no nominations prior to the meeting. CS suggested a temporary situation with rotating chairs to run meetings and a re-allocation of roles with two or more co-chairs to coordinate the group’s activities. HN, JA, BH, and SJ willing to chair meetings. Further discussion led to the nomination of JA for the role of chair – nominated by SJ and seconded by HN. All in favour and JA was elected to the position.
  • Strategic Liaison Group membership – JA, CS and MK had attended the first meeting. CS unable to continue and timing of proposed meetings is difficult for MK. Agreed that BH and HN would join JA as PCyC attendees. ACTION – CS to inform Paul Barnard (later amended so that MK would inform PB)
  • Size of committee – PCyC constitution states that the committee should consist of between 2-5 members with the ability to co-opt further members. Our current committee is larger than that set out in the constitution and following discussion it was agreed to review the size and make up of the committee and review the constitution but not immediately.

MAIN MEETING: –

Minutes of last meeting and matters arising – no matters arising

  1. Recent developments: COVID emergency funding, Transforming Cities Fund, national “Gear Change” policy. First tranche of funding from COVID funding should have been spent by now. The main project (Armada Way cycle route) is in place and in use. It has drawn mixed responses. Bid for tranche 2 of the emergency funding has been submitted. PCyC had very limited input to the bid and we have not seen what’s in the final bid. No news yet on how much funding has been allocated.

TCF 2 bid – £51m allocated to PCC. Almost all is directed at public transport projects. The main cycling project is a route from the Tamar Bridge to the dockyard and city centre. No details on this scheme have been shared with us. JA has responded to the TCF2 proposals to make the case that the projects included will not lead to a modal shift in the city and to restate the necessity for major infrastructure investment like PCyC’s Embankment proposals and the Central Park bridge.

At the national level the Gear Change project is a positive initiative which takes cycling seriously and sets standards for high quality infrastructure (paint on roads and shared footpaths do not count as cycle infrastructure).

  1. Plymouth Plan Climate Emergency Consultation – consultation launched on how the Joint Local plan needs to be changed to meet climate emergency priorities. There needs to be a considered response from PCyC with all members encouraged to read the consultation document and a committee meeting to detail PCyC’s views. This process does give a lever to push for positive action. ACTION – discussion at next committee meeting
  2. Strategic Liaison Group: in early August JA, CS and MK met with senior officers form PCC – Paul Barnard (Service Director for Strategic Planning & Infrastructure), Philip Heseltine (Head of Transport, Infrastructure and Investment) and Rosie Starr (Major Schemes Officer – Sustainable Transport) at their invitation for the first of what will be regular 3 monthly meetings. JA reported that there was positive engagement and we were able to air our concerns about lack of consultation and communication from PCC and PCC informed us of bid outcomes and an outline of what was in the TCF2 bid as well as asking for further information about cycle signage issues which could be incorporated into future bids. Two signage surveys with our proposals were submitted but no response was received. Email contact this week has suggested we should wait for the next meeting. JA is wary of this new group being used as a consultation tick box. MK felt positive initially about the meeting but nearly two months on we haven’t received minutes from the meeting or any other communication. AJ is happy to talk to Cllr Vincent who has contacted PB re. the Efford Pathway route after email from PCyC. ACTION – MK to draft a letter asking for minutes from the first meeting and further to seek answers about how we will be kept informed of developments regarding cycling now that no PCC officers will be attending PCyC meetings. Further, to inform them that JA, HN and BH will be attending subsequent meetings for PCyC.

AJ suggested that we could question the progress on Pledge no 16 to appoint a cycling champion for the city and what progress had been made as a result.

  1. Plymouth City Council update – no update as no officer in attendance
  2. Campaign Progress Reports – there is encouraging news from the South Hams with GW forwarding a summary of progress as follows:
  • There is hope that Highways England will fund a fully upgraded traffic free route from Deep Lane to Ivybridge train station. 
  • Street Design Study for Ivybridge and its travel to work area is in the public domain as this link: https://pl21.weebly.com/news.html
  • Cllr R Hosking (DCC) and Cllr T Holway (SHDC) are working with us to identify a traffic free route from Ivybridge to Bittaford by contacting landowners.  When complete we will apply for funding.
  • DNPA has announced that it has started to investigate a traffic free route from Ivybridge to Bovey Tracey known as the A38 Scoping Project.  This is a major project but at extremely early days. 
  • Several years ago, Highways England announced its desire for a cycle bridge across the A38 at Deep Lane to connect to Sherford.  No recent news
  • PCC has recently contacted Sustrans about connecting Sherford to the existing NCN28 at Brixton.  No details
  • The lease for the estuary route between Kitley and DCC is due for review in December 2021. Kitley does not want it changed. YETAG are working out how to respond to this
  1. Maintenance – no time for discussion on this item although SM reported that DG is happy to continue as the Committee member for maintenance and he encourages cyclists to report any issues to him via either info@plymouthcyclingcampaign.co.uk or on the Facebook group page https://www.facebook.com/groups/PlymouthCyclingCampaign/
    7. Armada Way cycle route – first impressions – no time for discussion on this item
    8. Manadon interchange – no time for discussion on this item
    9. Replacement of erroneously removed one-way contraflow system at the Barbican on NCN27 – this has gone out for consultation. Uncertain whether consultation period has ended.
    10. Proposal for car free day – no time for discussion on this item

AOB

  • CS posted a link to a consultation on road collision reporting guidelines on Facebook which highlights the importance of the language used when referring to traffic incidents. Felt that PCyC should offer a response.
  • SJ asked whether any progress had been made on addressing traffic light issues that had been forwarded to PCC or if there had been an acknowledgement. No progress or acknowledgmentDONM – ACTION JA to set a date for a committee meeting and circulate.

Date of next open on Zoom – Thursday December 10th 6 pm – 7.30 pm – Zoom link to be sent to all those on our email list a few days in advance – see below

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21 thoughts on “Minutes and agendas

  1. Hello, I just want to introduce myself to those who may not know me yet! My name is Erica Travies and I am the lead for ‘Access Bike’ based at Access Plymouth, Mayflower East Car Park (Shopmobility and Community Transport). We have recently taken delivery of two trikes and a bike courtesy of PCC, which we are hiring out to those less able to use a conventional bike. I hope to attend your next meeting on 6th February and meet some of you in person and talk a little bit about this new service. Meanwhile we are hoping to recruit volunteers interested in bikes generally to support new users. Please contact me with any questions!

  2. I just wondered how common it was for Employers to charge for secure cycle storage?
    Does anyone have any experience with this?
    I work for a company at Millbay, who received financial assistance to install cycle lockers and are featured on the Council website as supporting cycling to work, but they insist employees rent the lockers from them for a monthly fee and pay a deposit to use only their padlocks. Cars for employees are free to park in the staff car park on the same site. I find this a little odd but did not know if it was standard practice with other companies?

    • On the face of it, sounds like very poor management, technically they probably can do it. Dosen’t help promote cycling to work. Perhaps there are reasons such as stopping random non-employees using the lockers. May be worth posting on the facebook site, in order to raise awareness and discourage other companies from following suit.

  3. Hi All
    4 weeks ago I had a cycling accident on my commute home from work. I was crossing the road between cycle paths at Sandy Road Plympton to go down Glenn Road and was hit by a motorbike. The deep lane junction and traffic chaos at Chaddlewood roundabout played a part in this. Traffic was queuing from deep lane up past Eagle Road towards the industrial estate, the crossing point was left clear and the vehicles stopped. I looked before I crossed and was confident it was clear, however I never saw the motorbike that hit me at speed going down the outside of the stationary vehicles (as it was on the bend of the roundabout) I was hurt and have only just returned to work today. The motorcyclist left me laying in the road with my bike on top of me and left the scene without giving me his details. I have reported it to the police. I think this crossing point is currently a dangerous point to cross for cyclists and pedestrians while the road works are in place – I just want to make people AWARE!!

    Thank you

  4. Hi all

    I was wondering if anyone is aware of what (if any) infrastructure will be provided for cyclists on the replacement Merafield road bridge over the A38 near Stag Lodge, Plympton. Have looked online but can’t find any plans.

    • Highways England are responsible for this scheme. Sadly we weren’t consulted and the comment above is the first I’ve heard about it. As an aside the Plymouth Cycling Campaign is now being consulted when HE consider it relevant. I have emailed them asking if cycling infrastructure is included and stressing why it should be. Watch this space…..

  5. Hi Bryan. Thanks for your input and I agree with you about the pavement along the Embankment, and so do many others. We have brought this up on several occasions with the Council but the response has always been along the lines of “at least there’s a path, there are other more urgent priorities”! Anyway, the maintenance of the existing infrastructure is on the next agenda so we’ll mention this again. See you at the meeting perhaps?

  6. Hi, As a very keen cyclist (150 miles avg aweek) was very pleased to found this group. also a member of yogi cycling club.Is there a way of putting into your agenda the resurfacing of the Embankment cycle path It’s at a stage where I feel safer cycling on the road along the Embankment because of the condition of the path.
    Bryan

    • Hi all,

      Entirely agree with comments regarding cycleway along the Embankment;
      in particular I find the section from Sainsbury’s to Laira roundabout
      so bumpy that it shakes me to the very core. I have seen many cyclists
      recently preferring to use the road: that’s crazy! It’s high time PCC
      did something!

      Dave Hext

  7. May I clarify 2 items in the Minutes of the last meeting and add a new third item?

    Under “Sherford Expressway”, I referred to the policy of the Institute of Advanced Motorists for cycling infrastructure. The IAM policy dated May 2013 is not limited to London as it is for everywhere. Among many things it says ”
    • Infrastructure improvements which separate cyclists and heavy traffic should have the top priority for investment
    • Well maintained, smooth and pothole free roads, pavements and cycle lanes will assist in the encouragement of cycling
    • The IAM supports the use of 20mph zones in residential areas and where cycling and pedestrian flows merit it
    • Innovative shared space designs should be encouraged which create cycling friendly environments where it is clear that all road users have the same priority”

    Not mentioned in the Minutes, JW showed the meeting an extract from Sustrans Design Manual dated April 2014 titled “Handbook for Cycle Friendly Design”. In particular he showed page 15. I commend JW with showing this as it represents exactly what we as PCyC have been promoting for the Cycle Expressway for 2 years. I urge everyone to obtain a copy of this as it pulls together best practice as used.

    Finally may I draw everyone’s attention to a new cycling initiative from the Dept of Transport? It is “The Cycle Delivery Plan” dated September 2014. This wants all local authorities to create a cycling vision. There are opportunities for partnership with Government to help create fully integrated transport systems for which cycling is a major part. While not explicit in the Plan, I foresee new avenues of funding.

    My vision is for a policy of “No Ridiculous Car Journeys” as successfully undertaken at Malmo in Sweden, a maritime city comparable to Plymouth. It has always been my view that Plymouth has enormous opportunity for cycling and I see no reason that we cannot do what has been achieved not just in Malmo but many cities elsewhere where 25% of all journeys are by bike. It makes economic sense and is invaluable for people’s health

  8. At the last meeting Dave Wigmore requested thoughts/views re cycling in Plymouth, and all members are encouraged to contact their local councillors expressing their views/concerns, I have contacted mine (Moor View) expressing thoughts about shared pathways which are a danger to both cyclists and pedestrians, and do not allow cyclists to “make progress”. As stated at the meeting, it may make some non cycling councillors sit up and take note.
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    Hello
    As the councillors for Moor View, I am writing to you, as all members of Plymouth Cycle Campaign are being encouraged to do, re views/problems with cycling in Plymouth. Below are problems I regularly encounter, I appreciate the areas may not be in your ward, but perhaps you can speak to those whose wards the areas are in on my behalf.
    I regularly try to use shared paths from around the George Junction area towards Crownhill and on to Camels Head and basically they don’t work. They are dangerous to both cyclists and pedestrians for the following reasons.
    First example – Powisland Drive to Derriford roundabout – to narrow, very little room to pass/overtake each other. On Tuesdays, rubbish/wheelie bins causing obstructions, often parked vehicles doing the same, and as with all cycle paths, pedestrians/joggers often using iPods’ etc so they never hear you ring your bell. Because of these problems, cyclists like any other commuter who wish to “make progress” cannot do so, nor can club cyclists who often travel at 30 mph or more.
    St Budeaux by pass – while I appreciate the new section from the footbridge over the Parkway to Mowhay Road is quite wide therefore making it a little safer, its still as bad from Mowhay Road to Camels Head as the previous entry, very, very narrow, (especially near the sub station, about 2 feet wide) very little room to negotiate/pass/overtake, pedestrians/joggers, again often using iPods, other cyclists. Occasionally if there a groups they wont make it easy for you, even if you do the right thing and slow down to walking pace. So again you cannot make progress.
    I often also use the Embankment, this has all the problem already stated only worse, its busier so the problems occur more often, family groups, cycling or walking, dog walkers, joggers, people waiting at bus stops, all of which they have the perfect right to do.
    Even as a commuter I often travel at 25 mph or more, if I have to avoid any of the problems explained it’s necessary to use the road/highway otherwise I may as well walk.
    Could you along with other councillors see if there is a way forward to address these problems, i.e. – making where possible, pathways wider, moving street furniture etc to make cycling safer, not just for me, but also for less confident adults and children.

    Dave Gibbs

  9. Enjoyed the ride today, nice to see so many turn up. Well done Stuart, looking forward to the next one. Thanks to the helpers as well, appreciated by all.

  10. Plymouth Campaign has been growing and increasing its work since Dom Tucker and I set it up in the summer of 2010. We have achieved a lot together (see our website) and it is vital for the future of cycling in Plymouth that the Campaign continues its work. I have now been chairing for 4 years and I believe it’s time for a change, to bring new direction to the group and allow me to develop my other interests.

    At the last meeting of PCyC I stated my intention to resign as chair and that resignation will take effect from July 15th, the date of the next meeting. I am happy to help the new chair and take time to hand over. I won’t be leaving the campaign, but I am keen to make the change.

    We will need a new chair from the next meeting.

    The role of chair is to act as a focal point and figurehead rather than do all the work of the campaign. As the projects we are involved with have grown in number over the 4 years I have tried to ensure that other members take on defined roles, so that the task of the chair is now very much one of leading and facilitating. There is one meeting every 2 months and a small but steady flow of enquiries to deal with.

    So if you are a cyclist and want the Campaign to carry on pressing for improvements then this is your opportunity to step up. You could be one of the active members or perhaps someone who has not yet been actively involved but feels they have the leadership qualities and communication skills necessary to carry out the role of chair.

    If this is you, please contact me as soon as possible by replying to this message or simply come along to the next meeting on July 15th .

    The Plymouth Cycling Campaign is now respected and listened to by those authorities involved in cycling locally. We are pushing our high profile campaign for an expressway out to Elburton and beyond, improving driving behaviour (including talking to City Bus drivers), canvassing police support, and have a number of other issues under way.

    We have about 250 subscribers to these emails and about 300 people use our Facebook page. Our bi-monthly meetings are much smaller and more friendly than those large numbers suggest. Everyone has a chance to take an active part, so please come to the meetings, help select the new chair and find out how you could become involved.
    Best wishes
    Stuart.

    Stuart Mee
    Chair
    Plymouth Cycling Campaign (PCyC)

  11. Part of the route from clearbrook to plymbridge on ncn 27 has become quite overgrown with stinging nettles. Quite often I have to move over and brush the nettles with legs as to avoid possible collisions with others, leaving me with stingging itchy legs. Isnt it about time the path was cleared of nettles.

    • Steve we have brought this up with Sustrans and Devon County Council. We have been told they are aware and planning to bring in some motorised flails to do something about it. Unfortunately nobody will take responsibility for the section between Plym Bridge and Coypool so this is left to Sustrans volunteers to do their best.

    • The section of path from Coypool to Plymbridge is the responsibility of SUSTRANS and recently a group of SUSTRANS volunteers spent a very hot Saturday morning clearing much of this path of overhanging vegetation and stinging nettles. We desperately need more volunteers and so if anyone is interested please contact SUSTRANS HQ at Bristol who will put you in touch with the local group. Any problems with this section of path should be reported to SUSTRANS.

  12. Just extra point, Bikeability training which is available free of charge to all Plymouth residents is strongly recommended to improve the skills of even experienced cyclists in dealing with more difficult stretches of road. telephone 550729 or e-mail bikelinks@Plymouth.gov.uk to book a place

  13. Just one clarification: the Bikeability delivered to schoolchildren by the School Sports Partnership on behalf of Plymouth City Council is delivered by fully qualified national standard cycling instructors.

    The concerns regarding the section of road from Laira Bridge eastbound to the first roundabout are noted

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